This week's podcast features an interview with author and publisher Richard Grossinger, and we discuss his books Waiting for the Martian Express, and the Bardo of Waking Life. We also discuss President Obama, President Bush, Yeats, the American Avant Garde of the 40s and 50s, and Zest Soap. This week also features a voicemail from listener and organic dairy farmer Terry I, music from Negativland, and a Titanic factoid. Check out the new dietsoap youtube videos. Oh. And France.