KMO of the C-Realm podcast joins us this week to discuss WTC 7, agnosticism as a survival strategy, the need for structural rather than personal change, and podcasting. KMO's C-Realm podcast is one of the handful of independently produced podcasts that inspired the Diet Soap podcast and conversing with him directly rather than through collages and guests was enjoyable. Also on the podcast is the music of Chico Marx, Harpo Marx, Utah Phillips, and Ani DiFranco. Listen for the Asch Experiment and see if you conform.